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Update: New Gun Rights Group Plans to Bear Arms in Downtown Kirkland

A Kirkland man has planned a 'Day of Resistance' rally Saturday, Feb. 23 in downtown Kirkland at Central Way and 3rd Street, encouraging participants to openly carry their legal firearms.

Editor's note: A report on the rally can be found here.

Update from City of Kirkland, 5:10 p.m. Thursday:

The Kirkland Police Department is working cooperatively with the 2ndEnforcers group to ensure that there are minimal disruptions during the demonstration being held by the group on Saturday, Feb. 23.  According to the 2ndEnforcers’ website they “will be lawfully picketing, as per municipal code, against President Barack Obama’s 23 executive actions against your 2nd Amendment Constitutional right to bear arms.”

The event will be held from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Central Avenue at 3rd Street.  As part of the event, some demonstrators may be displaying firearms in accordance with Washington's "Open Carry" law.  The Kirkland Police Department will continue to work cooperatively with the event organizers, demonstrators and the community during the event.  Demonstrators may be on the sidewalk and will strive not to obstruct the use of the sidewalk by others. 

 

Original story--

There will be guns on the streets of Kirkland this Saturday, as a newly formed gun rights group, 2nd Enforcers, takes to the corner of Central Way and 3rd Street to protest "23 executive actions against your 2nd amendment Constitutional right to bear arms" by Pres. Barack Obama.

The picketing rally was posted on the group's website by Jacob Kukuk, who describes himself on his Google+ account as a concealed carry and open carry advocate in Washington State who supports the personal protection of individuals.

The rally is planned for 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday, and the organizers have encouraged participants to bring signs and their legal firearms, and to obey Kirkland laws during the peaceful protest. Among the rally calls the group advises the following on its website:

  • Dress appropriately, i.e. dress as you would for a business interview, as sometimes you have to disguise yourself as a Trojan horse to win a battle.
  • Present your message professionally, i.e. clean material.
  • Responsible carry only, Open carry Pistol/Rifle encouraged.
  • Be clean, pickup your trash, and don't stick signs into the ground.

The organization describes itself as a Washington State non-profit militia with a mission to protect the rights of the people at all costs. So far, Kukuk is listed as the only director on its board of directors.

Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 02:42 AM
This is one of your biggest gun addicts: From Addictinginfo org "When National Rifle Association President David Keene bragged this week that his pro-gun agenda would win because “guns are cool,” he may have rattled the bones of that skeleton lying around in his family closet. As ABC 7 would have it, Keene’s 31-year-old son David Michael Keene was accused in December, 2002 for shooting his handgun at another driver while taking his BMW for a jaunt along the Potomac on the George Washington Memorial Parkway in Virginia. Police officers reported that Keene Jr.’s shot came within inches of the other driver’s head. In January, 2003, the judge sentenced the then-21-year-old to 10 years in prison, which means … Oh my! … He should be getting out right about … Now."
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 02:43 AM
Part 2: Cindy Morris, then a reporter for the online DC-insider magazine Capitol Blue, wrote on December 18th, 2002 (according to her colleague Doug Thompson in a more recent article), that Keene Jr. had a troubled mental health history since high school, and had been hospitalized for emotional problems during his middle-to-late childhood at least seven times. The NRA says it promotes “responsible gun ownership” — and conjures up images of righteous, vigorous, freedom-loving American citizens bursting with physical, emotional, and mental health. Yet, despite all this, Keene’s dad enabled his emotionally frail son — the third out of five children — to own the gun he nearly used to murder another motorist in a fit of road rage." If the president of your "oh so holy " NRA can't keep his shit together, raise his kids to be 'safe' around firearms, then I have no faith in any of you. I perceive you, and your family (because they have access to your guns), as dangerous. You have a gun in your house, my kid is not going to your house to play. In fact, I would be concerned if your kid wanted to play with my kid, he\she might just want to bring along daddy's or mommy's gun to show off.
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 03:09 AM
in the minds of gun addicts, no. And I call them gun addicts because nothing is more important to them then their guns.
Doug C. February 23, 2013 at 03:33 AM
Heya Art, I have never shot a bazooka, but would certainly like to try it some time! Talk about taking deer hunting to a whole new level!! :P
David Anderson February 23, 2013 at 03:43 AM
As somebody that lost a nephew to gun violence, I have little time for those people that cry wolf every time sensible gun laws are introduced. How on earth is the fact that the president wants to impose backround checks on people buying weapons at gun shows infringing on your second ammendment rights? And why should an ordinary citizen be able to puchase hollow point bullets....whos ONLY use is to inflict maximum carnage on a human body? Where does all of this end? Should I be allowed to purchase a bazooka for protection? Why not? They are made in the United States and are essentially a firearm? And more guns around for protection...ya...that really works swell. How bout the 4 police officers in Lakewood, fully armed and trained, that were gunned down in cold blood. Ya....their guns sure did them a whole lot of good. Just the fact that as a gun owner u are something like 40 times more likely to get killed by that gun. It is a fact. I will be picketing Kirkland Saturday. But I will be respectfull
James Banks February 23, 2013 at 04:07 AM
How many children should you be able to kill before you have to reload?
James Banks February 23, 2013 at 04:18 AM
Larry, since you mentioned murdering babies, according to myth your god murdered thousands of babies on Passover. He also allegedly fathered his son with a young teen mother so that he could be tortured and killed. Why would anyone worship a god like that?
Doug C. February 23, 2013 at 04:20 AM
Art, Well, maybe if less Americans were watching game shows, reality TV, and playing facebook games, they would know what was going on right now and would understand those veterans and law-abiding citizens carrying guns are doing it to protect all Americans Constitutional Rights. TV is not going to tell them what is going on so they will remain naive until someone brings them out of their lil shell.
Doug C. February 23, 2013 at 04:22 AM
There's a great idea... If enough of them get together, maybe they'll be able to figure out what they're counter-protesting!
Randal Stone February 23, 2013 at 05:21 PM
If guns exist, people should be able to own them. I have witnessed crime prevention via concealed weapon more than once. For every death, there are tens of thousands of crimes prevented. I'm all for keeping guns away from mentally ill/felons but to ban anything is idiotic. The features that make an "assault" weapon are superficial, besides magazine size. As for magazine size, I'm not in favor of a ban. People miss, sometimes you need extra shots for defense. Stories of several armed robbers breaking into homes are more common than school shootings. Incidents used to promote such bans are rare, and many times overhyped by our inept media. The Aurora shooter had 4 guns but all you ever hear about is the AR 15, even though it jammed. Besides that, only 1/3 of gun deaths are homicides. The number is 10k+/- annually and has been dropping for decades. Suicide and accidents (not crimes) are the majority of gun deaths. Gun owners need to take care of their guns. Responsible storage is important. Stop trying to ban something that you don't understand or respect because you heard that it killed someone once. I don't sit here complaining about abortion, gay marriage, drug legalization, etc, even though I'm a sober, straight, and single. It's not your place to tell me how to live my life. Don't want a gun, don't buy one. Anti gun people act like they can't even leave their house without being shot at while nothing could be further from the truth.
Greg Johnston (Editor) February 23, 2013 at 05:40 PM
Don, call it what you want, but the AR15 was developed specifically as a military weapon by Armalite, introduced in 1963 as the M16, first used combat in Vietnam. From AR15.com: "The Armalite Division of the Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation, Costa Mesa, CA was established in 1954 for the sole purpose of developing military firearms using the latest in plastics and non-ferrous materials. It's team of Eugene M. Stoner - key designer, Robert Fremont - prototype manufacturing supervisor, and L. James Sullivan - who oversaw drafting work had been they key developers of the AR-15."
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 05:42 PM
Randal, cite your sources. Statistics on Gun Deaths & Injuries In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.1 73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.2 Firearms were the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide in 2010, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.3 Between 1955 and 1975, the Vietnam War killed over 58,000 American soldiers – less than the number of civilians killed with guns in the U.S. in an average two-year period.4 In the first seven years of the U.S.-Iraq War, over 4,400 American soldiers were killed. Almost as many civilians are killed with guns in the U.S., however, every seven weeks.5 Homicide Guns were used in 11,078 homicides in the U.S. in 2010, comprising almost 35% of all gun deaths, and over 68% of all homicides.6 On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.7 Regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership.8 Where guns are prevalent, there are significantly more homicides, particularly gun homicides.9
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 05:43 PM
part 2: Suicide Firearms were used in 19,392 suicides in the U.S. in 2010, constituting almost 62% of all gun deaths.10 Over 50% of all suicides are committed with a firearm.11 On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010.12 White males, about 40% of the U.S. population, accounted for over 80% of firearm suicides in 2010.13 A study of California handgun purchasers found that in the first year after the purchase of a handgun, suicide was the leading cause of death among the purchasers.14 Firearms were used in nearly 44% of suicide deaths among persons under age 25 in 2010.15 More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.16 The risk of suicide increases in homes where guns are kept loaded and/or unlocked.17
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 05:46 PM
part 3: Unintentional Deaths and Injuries In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.18 From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.19 Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.20 People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.21 A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.22 The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).23 Those numbers at the end of each paragraph, they're called citations - sources if you will, where you got your info at. You will find these citations at : http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
Wayne Ogilvy February 23, 2013 at 05:47 PM
Randal, I agree with you on all of your points. If the anti gunners took the time to look up the FBI stat's they would find out that gun owners prevented over 1 million crimes just by brandishing their firearm, And most of the time without firing a shot because the criminal ran away. On another note I recommend staying away from Chicago and DC, They have the highest violent crime rates and you are not allowed to defend yourself with a gun, Only the criminals can have gun's there !
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 06:00 PM
It seems from all the reading I have done, that handguns by far kill more people than another type of gun. Let's ban them. It makes much more sense. They do most of the killing. Or, as you gun addicts would put it, more people use handguns to kill other people than any other type of gun. Hanguns Of all firearm-related crime, 86 percent involved handguns.5 On the average, if someone gets shot and killed, four out of five times it will be with a handgun. In 1997, for example, handguns were used in 79.4 percent of all firearm homicides.10 From 1990 to 1997, handguns were used in a majority (55.6 percent) of all homicides; that is, they were used in murder more than all other weapons combined.11 Handgun homicides hit record highs in the early 1990s, peaking in 1993. That year there were 13,258 such killings out of a total of 16,120 firearm homicides.14 For firearm suicides, it is estimated that handguns are used twice as often (69 percent) as rifles and shotguns.18 For all suicides, it is estimated that more than four out of 10 were committed with handguns.19
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 06:05 PM
part 2: (This is important) Self Defense For every time a gun in the home is used in a self-defense homicide, a gun will be used in: 1.3 unintentional deaths 4.6 criminal homicides 37 suicides 22 In 1997 there were 15,690 homicides. Of these, 8,503 were committed with handguns. Among handgun homicides, only 193 (2.3 percent) were classified as justifiable homicides by civilians. 23 For every time in 1997 that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 43 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone. 24 Costs For every firearm death, there are nearly three gun injuries requiring emergency medical treatment. 25 By conservative estimates, gunshot injuries cost about $4 billion a year in medical expenses. 26 Again, those numbers after the paragraphs are citations - they are found here: http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/hgbanfs.htm
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Hi Randal, You say "Anti gun people act like they can't even leave their house without being shot at while nothing could be further from the truth." I don't know about that. I am a pretty average guy. I grew up in White Center, worked as a teenager at Denny's and a variety of gas stations in the south end. I have been robbed at gunpoint twice, shot at 3 times, had a number of guns pointed at me by really unstable angry people, and held a woman in my arms as she lay dieing after being shot in the face by her husband. I think it all depends on where you live. Arming yourself to the hilt because you are paranoid of your neighbors in Bellevue is pretty unbalanced. On the other hand, if you live in some of the rougher areas of even a mild town like Seattle, having a gun might make sense. From my personal experience, having a gun doesn't do you any good. Take being robbed. Usually, the bad guy has his gun out first. You don't get to reach for yours until he is turning away. At that point, he is no longer a deadly threat and shooting him in the back is murder. If you are confronted by an angry man or woman with a gun, again they got theirs out first. If you reach for yours, it goes from a threat to a firefight. You stand a good chance of ending up dead rather than just scared. The biggest issue is, if you are going to have a gun, know when to use it, and better still, when not to.
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 06:24 PM
Time for a funny story about guns. Guy in White Center brings a pony home for his daughter's 8th birthday. While riding down the street, a neighbor's dog comes out and spooks the pony. The pony rears up and the little girl falls. The father of the little girl runs home, gets his gun and shoots the dog. The dog owner comes running out of his house and shoots the pony. By the time the police get there, everyone in the neighborhood is standing in their front yard with a gun. White Center, one hell of a town!
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 07:11 PM
Wayne, you win the contest for the craziest idea yet. "gun owners prevented over 1 million crimes just by brandishing their firearm" Try it. You will either end up dead because some cop shot you or somebody else shot you because they thought you were the bad guy ('cause you were the one flashing your gun around) or you will end up in jail for assault with a deadly weapon. If you see a "crime" like someone stealing your car or shoplifting a loaf of bread, don't be pulling your pea shooter. Using the threat of deadly force where it isn't warranted is a sure way to end up talking to lawyers. "brandishing" a gun is one of the most stupid things a person can do.
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 07:45 PM
Remember after Hurricane Katrina when the news showed all these shop owners "brandishing" their guns to keep the survivors from stealing food? If ever there was a time to disarm the public, that was it. Can you imagine people threatening to kill their neighbors over a loaf of bread or a can of beans? In a few short days, the help had arrived, food was being distributed, arrangements were being made for housing, clothing, etc. The loaf of bread, protected with deadly force, was now stale and in the garbage. America needs to wake up. All our possessions that we prize so highly that we are willing to kill for it, is just stuff. Plastic. Chrome. Glass. All can be replaced. Most of us spend our money and cart our prized possession home only to haul them to the dump 5 years later. None of this stuff is worth dying for. None of this stuff is worth killing for. With Hurricane Katrina, we saw "Armageddon" and the best and worst of Americans. Those clowns with the guns protecting their stash of stuff looked pretty poor.
Wayne Ogilvy February 23, 2013 at 07:51 PM
And I guess the twelve yr old girl that shot an intruder from inside her mothers closet was crazy too, Or how about the ten yr old boy that fired a 22 and scared off multiple perps to protect his older sister from who knows what, There are many many stories like this in newspapers and on the internet. The problem is the anti gunners only hear what they wan't to and try and twist things to fit what they want. Fact's are fact's unless your a liberal I guess. Why don't you put your money where your typing fingers are and put a sign on your door or lawn saying { NO FIREARMS ON THESE PREMISES } and see how you fare with the home invaders and robbers. I think you are probably a decent person Art but you listen to too much MSM and we know they are not biased right.
Wayne Ogilvy February 23, 2013 at 08:06 PM
Now you are the crazy one Art, The evacuees that went to the superdome and other such safe places were there with little food or water and sanitation was sorely lacking, They were there locked up and could not leave because FEMA would not let them, They were in essence prisoners. If you don't believe it google Hiraldo Rivera's interview during hurrcane katrina. Some of these poor people were there for weeks. And they did disarm the public, One poor elderly lady was tackled to the floor and arrested for not wanting to give up her only source of protection, A small revolver that was unloaded with the cylinder open. But they did it for her own good and the safety of others right ? You keep on drinking the kool-aid my friend.
Lise Quinn February 23, 2013 at 08:06 PM
Agreed Art.
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 08:36 PM
Hi Wayne. You can't help stupid. Yea, the government screwed up badly at the superdome. In that situation, how does running around brandishing a gun help? A large crowd of angry people combined with others running around threatening to shoot guns does not sound like something that will end well. Still, how many people died at the superdome? How many were permanently injured? Pretty small number, considering how badly it was mismanaged. Yea, disarming an individual for her own safety and that of others was the right move. It is always better to de-escalate the situation by removing the threat of deadly force, no matter where it comes from, than allow things to spiral out of control. Now, I can tell by your tone that you think there are things worth killing for. Such as "freedom." Do you really think that killing (or threatening deadly force) to make your "escape" is a better idea than sitting in a stinking arena waiting for some government bureaucrat to do his job? Remember, it was only 2 weeks, tops. Compare that with a lifetime. Unless you are really dying, seems like the superdome was just an inconvenience. Something people can go on TV and whine about and maybe help make a lawyer rich. Hiraldo makes his living on the suffering of others, no matter how much he has to exaggerate (he isn't known for his veracity). In your terms, most of the MSM does the same. I'll take a pass on Fox news cool-aid.
Wayne Ogilvy February 23, 2013 at 08:58 PM
Art & Lise, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. But I can tell you this, I have legally owned firearms for the majority of my 54 yrs, My children grew up around them and no one has been shot or killed. And as far as things worth killing for,Yes there are some things, Such as my family's lives, My life, And anyone else's including you guy's that would like for me to not have the option of self defense. You are right about the katrina disaster being mismanaged just like they mismanage yours & mine tax dollars everyday. Such as buying millions of dollars worth of hollow point ammo for target practice. Or taking multimillion dollar vacations twice a month. And you are also right about not being able to fix stupid { We will have to pass it to see what's in it } Or we only have 2% of the worlds oil reserves. I sincerly wish you the best in life guy's, But I will stick to the old motto, prepare for the worst and hope for the best !
Art Valla February 23, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Hi again, Wayne. How do you know I don't have a gun? I have been in multiple situations where guns were involved. Twice the person nearest me was shot. In one case, killed. In none of those situations would I have been better off by having a gun. I survived by being able to duck better. Funny, I got fired from Denny's Restaurant because I ducked rather than being shot. I guess a 16 year old minimum wage dishwashers is supposed to "take one" for the team. Anyway, each situation is different. But with all the times people have shot at me, robbed me, or just plain aimed guns at me while shouting profanities, I have never had a situation that would have ended better if I had pulled my own gun or fired back.
Wayne Ogilvy February 23, 2013 at 09:19 PM
Art, I don't know whether you own a gun or not and it is none of my business. It sounds like you have been in quite a few bad situations and have been very lucky or blessed, So far anyway but luck eventually runs out. Just because so far the criminal has chosen to let you live does not mean that will alway's be the case and I would prefer to at least have you duck as you must be good at it and then draw your weapon to defend yourself and others. If you are not comfortable carrying a gun that is your choice my friend, But I am and I will carry, I have the training and permit to do so, I am not a criminal and I do not ever plan on becoming one. I am no threat to anyone who is not a threat to me or others I care about. I pray that I never have to use my gun in self defense but if I do I also pray that I am the one still standing after it is over. And yes I value my life over that of an assailant that means me or mine grave bodily injury or death, But no I will not kill over a TV or car or any other stuff that can be replaced. Life my friend can not be replaced !
Don February 27, 2013 at 11:18 PM
Anti gunners: You need to read these sentences by Wayne Ogilvy repeatedly until their meaning is bored into your heads. Honestly, a light bulb will come on once you let it. Wayne, "And I guess the twelve yr old girl that shot an intruder from inside her mothers closet was crazy too, Or how about the ten yr old boy that fired a 22 and scared off multiple perps to protect his older sister from who knows what, There are many many stories like this in newspapers and on the internet. The problem is the anti gunners only hear what they want to and try and twist things to fit what they want" To make it easier I'll repeat the key sentence. Please read multiple times until it takes effect. Repeated reading may be necessary and in some cases a stronger prescription of common sense may be needed in some circumstances, " The problem is the anti gunners only hear what they want to and try and twist things to fit what they want." Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Don February 27, 2013 at 11:22 PM
Lise, you're been repetitive. This is copied from the previous article. We do remember it. Did you feel we would not?

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